[00:00:00] Kara: Sick of the fatigue and fog? Fed up with the unpredictable flares? Hangry from the super restrictive diets?
Hello, and welcome to the Crunchy Allergist Podcast, a podcast empowering those who like me, appreciate both a naturally minded and scientifically grounded approach to health and healing.
Hi, I'm your host, Dr. Kara Wada, quadruple board certified pediatric and adult allergy immunology and lifestyle medicine, physician Sjogren's patient and life coach. My recipe for success combines, the anti-inflammatory lifestyle, trusting therapeutic relationships, modern medicine, and mindset to harness our body's ability to heal.
Now although I might be a physician I'm not your physician and this podcast is for educational purposes only.
Thank you so much, everyone for joining us today, I am so excited and honored to welcome my distinguished colleague, Dr. Micah Yu. He is a board certified rheumatologist. He is also completing his training in integrative medicine and functional medicine. He also happens to be an autoimmune warrior himself and he is a total wealth of knowledge and wisdom. And I'm just so excited to have you here on the podcast. I know we've been planning and had this in the works for a while. But it's hard coordinating our schedules a bit.
[00:01:28] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. I mean, having doctor's clinic schedule is always the most difficult, but I am so happy and honored to be on your show. Yeah, it's been, we, this has been in the works for, I think three or four months.
[00:01:39] Kara: Yeah. So I always love to invite our, the guests that we have on to share a little bit about their story. How did you end up where you are?
[00:01:48] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. Like you mentioned, I'm a rheumatologist. And that, wasn't my first career choice when I was going through school.
I, it really just happened over the years as graduate, so it's going, it all started back in high school when I was first diagnosed with gout, which is not an autoimmune disease, but is an inflammatory arthritis impacted by uric acid. And I would, I was on a high protein diet back then. The Atkins diet was very popular and then I went to college and was still get pains.
And then somehow over the years between college and medical school, my pain started transforming to something that I didn't understand. I had pain in places other than the typical place. I had pain in my TMJs multiple joints at the same time, fingers, feet, toes, knees. Any joint you can think of.
I got it. And then I did go into medical school and I went to see different rheumatologists there, but they couldn't understand what I had. They knew I had gout, but they, my, all my antibodies were negative, but my inflammatory markers were positive. I went to see two rheumatologists, one at academic center and one in the community.
They still couldn't diagnose me. But when I went to internal medicine residency back at Southern California, I was finally diagnosed with spondyloarthritis. So I had two diagnoses actually I three, because they actually put a needle into my joint and aspir some fluid out, and then they found that I also had another crystal in the joint as well.
So I have three diagnosises, but I usually tell people I just have two and what got me into integrative medicine. Was the fact that I went on a plant based diet and within three months, all my joint pain went away and went to remission. And what got me to rheumatology was because of the disease I had in the past.
So this was not a straight shot that I thought of back in high school. This was something that has evolved over time. And because I got better naturally. Now my, I feel like my life goes to help patients balance out the field of traditional medicine with alternative medicine. And most of my patients come to me because they wanna find ways to get off medications.
[00:03:53] Kara: Yeah. And what, I know we use some similar medications and how we treat inflammation in patients, what are the medications that people are most worried about that they ask youif they can get off of .
[00:04:07] Dr. Micah Yu: So I think most of our medications, everyone, most of the patients are scared of one way or another. So methotrexate, usually one of the first time medications for arthritis and general autoimmune disease as well and rheumatology. And they're always scared of. The side effects cuz they get a whole page of it. Especially the nausea, vomiting and also what else is there, hair loss. They see that there's anemia.
Or it can affect the liver. So they're very scared of those. And I usually tell my patients, what it can happen. That's why we watch you very carefully. You get labs. And we just, most of my patients don't have these side effects, but it can happen. They're also scared of the biologics as well.
They're scared of the Humira, the cosent all those rituximab as well. Yeah, they're scared of those. For a good reason. So like on a black box label warning, sometimes there's cancer is a potential side effect. And again, a whole page of side effects. If I was a patient, I'd be scared myself, but I had relatively good experiences with these medications.
That's why they are a main part of rheumatology.
[00:05:09] Kara: Yeah. Do you one of the things that, for instance, like my asthma and hives patients will be really concerned about our steroids. And I know that's something in rheumatology that will be used as a rescue too. So that's the other, when you think about all the side effects and the scary things that come up, imagine you probably get asked about that one too.
[00:05:31] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. Oh yeah. That's a big one. Forgot about steroids. That's the biggest one in rheumatology and allergy medicine as well. So yes, steroids is something that patients are okay, I think, in general, for short term, but long term, they get very scared of, and I am scared of long term use steroids as well, which I don't, I try not to do in my clinic.
But sometimes for very uncontrolled diseases, we do use that. So with steroids, the side effects, weight gain, some places don't get that, but weight gain can happen. Adrenals are shot, they are not, they're relying on the exogenous steroids. Diabetes psychosis so mental health issues, anger issues can happen.
So many different issues can happen from start increased risk infections as well. I have patients that have come to my clinic and they are just. They are having all these side effects.
[00:06:19] Kara: Yeah, increased risk of infections is huge with steroids. And I think that always has been my concern, certainly with some of the biologics, especially you mentioned rituximab, that was one that came up when I got really sick. It was in the conversation of what might be used. And my bias on my side of the immune system coin is I help a fair number of patients who have been on rituximab that their immune systems may have some like lasting problems to help order their infusions, to replace the immune system that's missing or put people on I V I G so that always makes me like, nervous along with the steroids, like you mentioned.
[00:06:59] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. Yeah. Rituximab is a big one. That's probably one of the, that's the one that's used in lymphoma treatment and the cancer treatment as well. So that's one that we don't always use. That's not our first line in rheumatology, but it is in the conversation, like you said.
[00:07:12] Kara: Yeah. And there are some instances when we are dealing with really significant inflammation that fire needs to be put out before it creates greater damage.
And so we're always weighing this, equation in our head of, okay, what is the lesser of two evils or what, how can we try to get you relief with the tools that we do have available? .
[00:07:37] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah, that's the challenging part of doing, I think alternative medicine and traditional medicine.
I just coin it. Integrative medicine.
It
[00:07:45] Kara: is, it brings them all together. Yeah. It integrates them. It's such a great word.
[00:07:50] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. So it's it's weighing which what's the priority of the patient and what's gonna bring them the fastest relief, how severe their disease is, and what's the path, what's their priorities.
What path do I go down that will balance out the two things? So that's always the hardest part.
[00:08:08] Kara: How I think of your approach too. It's like you have these different aspects of training that are just equipping you with additional tools that you can add into the mix which is really cool to have all of those different options of kind of the lifestyle aspects, which have worked, so well that we've talked about have worked well for both of us and many of our patients as well, and, things that have been passed on through millennia in some cases with traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurveda and other healthcare or schools of kind of medicine.
[00:08:46] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. And like tradit Chinese medicine and Ayurveda these have been around for centuries or even thousands of years. And it's unfortunate that society in the past, like 40 years, 30 years has really disregarded them.
Even in China and Asia, they're more going towards more Western medicine as well. And there's so much wisdom there. Yeah. There's not as much evidence as compared to our pharmaceutical drugs. But there is evidence out there and there's value in it. It's just, you know, it's the way that society has gone towards, but patients have been healed by Iveta.
They've been healed by traditional Chinese medicine as well. I grew up my father was a family medicine, doctor MD trained. My uncle is a pharmacist that turned into an acupuncturist and traditional Chinese medicine doctor. So I grew up seeing both fields and I saw the value of both.
[00:09:37] Kara: Yeah, this is I just see so much power in this idea of, and as opposed to, or , what are all, all the options that are out there.
And then, like you said, how can we personalize to each each person, each person's culture and their, their goals of care. Do you have specific tools from traditional Chinese medicine or Iveta or some of these other aspects that you really enjoy, like incorporating in your practice?
[00:10:04] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. I'm not a traditional Chinese medicine expert. I didn't go school for it, but I certainly refer to acupuncture all the time. Awesome, I do use herb sometimes for RA as well. There are there's some of them, you can see the literature online. To just underline it's an NIH as well. And it has helped some of my patients.
And also Ayurveda, I'm not an expert either, but I did get something through the Andrew university of Arizona's program. I do use adaptogens in my clinic. But beyond that, I need to go to more schooling.
[00:10:36] Kara: Isn't it interesting though, like I, so there's this concept I will post about from time to time that I think we encounter so much in medical training, but this idea of sometimes you don't know what you don't know, and then you learn some and you realize oh my goodness, there's this whole other world out there of how much, you know enough to know what you don't know.
And then, enough to know that you're an expert. And I think, we've talked this frustration sometimes that there are a lot of folks out there who are still in that first box. They don't necessarily know what they don't know
[00:11:13] Dr. Micah Yu: Exactly. I, yeah, I that's what the education that I've had over the years has really taught me.
It's the more education you get in this healthcare field, the more humbled you become, like when you, I, when you went to your general residency you thought, oh, allergy, like you didn't know much about allergy. And then once you got an allergist, you were like, oh my gosh, immunology allergy is so complicated.
But it's yeah. Yeah. And then, wow it's like I had to go through so many years, that's become an expert in immunology and allergy. And that's how I felt about rheumatology as well. And going through this fellowships and functional method has opened me up to this even bigger world, but it's even harder now because there's no one guiding me in a way I'm learning on my own.
It's harder than I would say rheumatology fellowship, cuz in at least in like the traditional fellowships we have in medicine, there's algorithms, there's guidelines. And there's a lot of published papers over and over again that are rigorous. But in integrated medicine, there are papers out there, but there, but they're not sometimes not as rigorous as the traditional medicine that we have.
And, but you realize that you don't know that much, and there's so many ways to help people and, and. When I was going through training in medical school and residency, we thought even for my like attendings, they're like, oh, naturopath, it's not Evans based. Like , there's so much animosity towards them, but not come out.
Like I realized there is value to naturopathic medicine. We can work with them. There's so much value to be gained from there. And with functional medicine, you. We've discussed this before functional medicines and wow. Wild west. Yeah. Anyone with some sort of healthcare degrees or can go into functional medicine, you don't have to be a doctor.
You could be whether it be a chiropractor on dietician or anywhere in the field, a nurse, you can be a in going to functional medicine. And I think there's value in that too, but there is a certain way to practice it. Cause I don't like seeing patients going home with 30 supplements. And that's not what I do in my clinic.
So there, there is a balance to be made. So I think the there's value in all these fields. It's about understanding how to utilize them so that there is a proper way of treating these patients, cuz you don't wanna, I don't chase numbers in my clinic. I treat the person and I see what the.
Rest and benefits are of the traditional and the alternative medicine, ways of healing. So it's really humbled me. It's and it's still very difficult. Like I have to watch these lectures over and over again sometimes, cuz I don't know what I'm getting myself into.
[00:13:42] Kara: It's it really is, What you're describing is this need to put your kind of critical thinking hat on, and you really are forging this path in an area of, like you said, that is the wild west.
And there, I think my biggest gripe has been, those folks who come into the functional space or the integrative space and don't necessarily know what they don't know, but then, Our patients end up giving over a lot of money. And, for some of these things that really, may not be.
The best, the best route or, and that's where I get frustrated sometimes. With, for instance, we've talked, my biggest grip is food sensitivity testing yeah. And so that's of my PR my example that I fall back to and. So that's why I am so excited about working with leaders like yourself, where we, you have that robust amaz amazing wealth of knowledge, with.
The immune system, which is incredibly complicated. , I kind of joke with allergy fellowship, we got to like week four of the immunology textbook. And I was like, oh, we got this. This is no big deal. And then week four, it was like the proverbial, what hit the fan. And I was like, we're not in Kansas anymore.
What are all of these receptors and cytokines and chemokines and pimps and damps and all these acronyms. That you need to know. And it is, it's like drinking water onto the fire hose and that was that reality check of Ooh, there's there, there will never be a shortage of something to learn.
Especially in immunology and the time we're living and practicing in this field.
[00:15:32] Dr. Micah Yu: And it's evolving too. That's the hard part about it. Evolving and immunology. Basic immunology is hard enough. Like when I went through medical school, it didn't make any sense to me at all. And in rheumatology it started clicking, but then when it started clicking things start to change with science too.
And then you have and then I learned about The integrative medicine part, like there are there are programs out there with like chiropractors and naturopath. They, they learn about immunology too. And then they talk about other aspects of immunology that do make sense as well. So I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm bombarded by information now from both sides and it's so hard to keep up.
[00:16:05] Kara: Yeah. So keep telling away and I guess managing our minds around our expectations,
[00:16:13] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. Yeah. It's I know it's we need doctors like you and me to get into the space because there needs to be a balance in the space, especially people that understand immunology and have been trained in it.
It's there's just so much out there. It's it's difficult to grasp sometimes and I'm always playing catch up. I feel like I just need to take a week off of work and to learn everything, compress everything, and figure out what's real. And what's not with what people are seeing.
[00:16:41] Kara: Yeah. I have, I've mentioned at home.
I would love to take a little sabbatical essentially, and Get, dial in kind of intense study retreat type idea. Wonder if there's a way to get that paid for
[00:16:53] Dr. Micah Yu: I know it's, it'd be nice.
[00:16:55] Kara: I dunno that the university's gonna be super excited about that without research funding.
[00:17:00] Dr. Micah Yu: I know it's I know in order to learn all this, you literally need, I think, another year of dedicated learning.
Yeah, cause there's so much out there. Like we, we, you know what supplements there, there are. There's whole field of herbs. And then also like in the integrated space, there's peptides, there's ozone therapy stuff. Like I'm still looking into to understand like how to use it. What's Evans in this space.
Yeah, so to be responsible, Yeah. So when I see my patients I tell them, you know what, I'm pretty much, no is no one teaching me in rheumatology how to do this. I'm teaching myself. And the things we can try this it's part, it seems like low risk. But if you see anything side effects, let me know.
In my practice, there are patients who come to me who say, I'm okay with medications, let's go for it. Yeah. And they don't care about integrated medicine. Some come to me with they're open to integrated medicine and they want they're open to meds as well. But there are those that don't want any meds at all.
And those are the ones that push me the hardest that will push me to learn, even giving the motivation to learn even faster because I'm going down this rabbit. Of what can I do for you? And some patients I have successfully put them to your mission or greatly improvement without the use of medications.
Cuz lifestyle does work for, I mean there is a role for lifestyle for everybody as a foundation with diet, a mind body medicine, but there are those who, it just doesn't work as well as other people. And then. And they're on medication sometimes, and they're still not as improved or they don't wanna be on medications as well.
Then your, the question is what's next and you don't wanna leave these patients out there on their own. Cause then they get all this in misinformation too. So that's the, I think that's the balance of doing what I'm doing is trying to figure out like, what can I do for these patients, cuz it's
[00:18:51] Kara: yeah. Agree coming back to that, the biases that, we all have, and we all walk through life with a set of lenses on, and so much of like our conventional training has like this lens of, that is colonialism and, has that bias in it.
And I think. It's something that I have to continually come back to, trying to keep that bias in mind, and I think of it as I will often disclose to my patients, like if we're talking about stare supplements, like my own personal experience slash bias against supplements because of the it, the liver injury, I dealt with and they say, Hey, this is something that.
I have a hard time, like separating myself from, and I do the best I can and, and I have an open mind, try to have an open mind, but inherently, this is part of, like my life experience and how I walk through and how I practice. And I think that's something I try to impart into the trainees.
I encounter too, of just trying to check our biases, just like we're trying to do that all the time. Racial biases and gender bias and all of these other ways that our brains try to trick us.
[00:20:08] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. Drug induced liver injury is a real thing. Did you experience that yourself as a patient or did oh, yourself as a patient?
[00:20:14] Kara: Yeah, so I essentially saw some really awesome Facebook marketing for a superfood supplement. It was shortly after I was diagnosed with Sjogren's and I was like, totally in type a mode. Like I gotta I gotta take control of everything. So I started on this like green smoothie regimen and I was like really hitting the Peloton hard, trying to do all the things.
And I was maybe like six weeks in to this regimen and started getting fevers. And then Fevers persisted. And then one day noticed that my urine was really dark and I was itchy and I like looked at the whites in my eyes and I was like, Ooh, this is not normal. So when it got checked out and sure enough, like my liver enzymes were in the many of hundreds and ended up with a biopsy that this is where you never wanna be the interesting patient, right?
That's one of the first things you learned in medicine that they ended up looking at Ohio state. And then they're like we're not quite sure we're gonna send it to the NIH. And I was like This, what just got real. And what all the viral studies and everything were negative, what they came to the determination of based on the biopsy results, but also how I improved when I stopped the supplement was that was likely the cause, but we don't know which ingredient or if it was some sort of contamination or what have you.
[00:21:40] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah, drug induced liver injury is something that I tell my patients with supplements. I'm like, you can get this I've seen it myself. In residency too, people come in and they're taking something outta the country or some herb or supplement. And then they come with elevated liver ends on and elevate liver enzymes.
And you're like, what is it? And it usually narrowed down to herb or whatever they're taking that they don't know. They don't know what the ingredients are. Yeah. And it's very real with these supplements. I mean it, the thing is that it can also happen with medications as well. , it can happen with any of our medications statins or even Tylenol simple.
Tylenol and stuff like that too. So sometimes, patients could have the wrong, like their snips, their epigenetics isn't conducive for that specific ingredient. And then you just get it. And unfortunately, there's, I think there's ways to test for certain medications, but for supplements. I don't, I, I don't know if there's something out there as a database to test for these things.
[00:22:37] Kara: And what's so hard too, is from a legislation standpoint, if they're like, say someone has a problem with Tylenol or another prescription medicine, there are databases where that gets essentially entered into and tracked. And there isn't, as there's not that accountability on the supplement side of things, like I emailed the company and they were just like, yeah, no, pretty much no response.
Yeah. And. It is what it is, but I think, as I've I still take some supplements now, but I think, as I make that decision on what to take or what to try, I.
Take that mental pause button and just say, okay, let, how do my symptoms feel? Are there any concerns, talk with my healthcare providers about, the risks and benefits, like someone well informed like yourself or my other colleagues that are trained in integrative medicine and using supplements and and just keeping our, you, you go in with your eyes open.
[00:23:38] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. Yeah. Something as benign as tumor can also give you drug-induced liver injury as well. And I, that's one of, one of my favorite supplements. It's very real unfortunately supplements you, anyone can just buy off the market and anyone can prescribe supplements these days. So it's another wild west yeah.
Arena as well, where patients are being prescribed things from just even the. Coaches or whatever. Yeah. And then everything recommended and sometimes people don't know what they're doing, but they heard that it works and they try it. And sometimes they, something happens to them as a side effect, like a drug and liver injury.
But they're not even thinking about that. They don't even know how to tie it in. They don't even know that they should be looking for these symptoms and no one's tracking their labs. So that's the dangerous part.
[00:24:21] Kara: Yeah. And the it's easy to be wooed like myself. Like it's easy to be wooed into this sense of.
False sense of security and safety. Because natural does seem, like it, like natural, it feels good to us. And like feeling is huge, how we feel and how we, connect with another human being. That's part of that healing experience. So I don't say that to poo it, I think it's incredibly powerful.
We just, it's just helpful to have your eyes open and know that, Be aware of potentials in any situation.
[00:24:56] Dr. Micah Yu: That's why I tell my patients, what I treat supplements like drugs. So yeah. They're gonna try them and see if you have any side effects. Let me know cuz there can be side effects even as something as a multivitamin or like tumor.
Cause you might be reacting to the filler, the ingredients in there. We don't know. Every individual is different. Every microbiome is different as well.
[00:25:16] Kara: Yeah. Ah, fillers driving. that's it's so hard. I have had a few patients come in recent memory, a lot of discussion about polyethylene, glyco and pegs, and polysorbate, which is in everything.
And was suspected to play a role in some of the reactions related to some of the newer vaccines on the market. And so it's so hard because these things are pervasive that. Muddy's the water
[00:25:44] Dr. Micah Yu: Yes, I know sometimes. Yeah. It's everywhere and it's so hard to get around.
[00:25:51] Kara: Yeah. So as you think about, your approach and to the overwhelm, when you have a patient who is in this state of oh my gosh, there's just so much, what is maybe some advice you would give to them to you know how to approach things and to minimize that overwhelm.
[00:26:11] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. I think first of all, it is go to a doctor. Go to a medical doctor and you know what that first doctor might not be the perfect doctor for you. You might need a second, third and fourth opinion. If you don't agree with what they say, you can seek alternative medicine as well.
See if you agree with that. But I think it's always important to have a MD or Dos interpretation of things as, and just to it's a. It's the most space out there. It may not be the perfect way of doing things for you as a patient, but at least you meet that perspective. And I have some patients who have seen their rheumatologist and they didn't like them and they went years on end.
Not seeing another rheumatologist, but that time it comes, see me, they're very sick or the joints are all disfigured and there's no one perfect way out there of doing things. There are so many different diets out there. You're gonna see so many marketing Facebook ads about diets, even plant based diets, doing many wonders.
Yeah. High based diet can help a lot of people with some patients that does wonders it's help and done wonders for me and my patient. You'll see things about paleo diets. You'll see about Mediterranean diets. These are all things that are great, but if it doesn't work for you to the point of you being in remission or where you want to be, you need to consider other ways of healing, whether that be medications or some other form of alternative or integrative medicine.
I think marry both fields of alopathic or traditional medicine with alternative medicine is the best way having both opinions. In your team don't do it alone, cuz you can get sick very fast especially in the autoimmune disease space. And some of these dis if you, and going online, you can look up all these symptoms.
You might think, oh, I have sjogren's or lupus. But you little do you know, as a patient that infections can mimic these symptoms and cancer can mimic these symptoms. That's why it's important to go to this specialist to get the right diagnosis. When you go down this functional medicine path. If you don't see an actual doctor in this space, sometimes you might have an underlying cancer or something serious, and that coach, or that practitioner that's in this functional messy space is not even thinking about cancer.
They're looking at your fact that you have a leaky gut, you have some type of nutritional and then you're just not doing the right thing. By the time you actually go to a medical doctor, it's too late. .
[00:28:43] Kara: Yeah. So gonna quickly summarize, so finding a trusting therapeutic relationship with an MD or DO as at least part of your care team is paramount and then add in those supporting folks as well, knowing that there's more than one way.
To find remission is huge. I think that's so empowering. And then the other kind of summarizing what you were saying, like getting curious, being open minded, coming with that and, or that I call it this abundance mindset of okay, what are all the things we can do to find help?
And I think, circling back to that therapeutic trust, giving, I think it can be really hard sometimes for. Our autoimmune and chronic illness patients to trust us because the system has failed them in so many ways. Like we're so siloed. And many times patients have had their concerns dismissed or ignored or if labs are normal said, okay, go on your way.
But there are those of us out there who, there are many more of us out there who if given the benefit of the da, we're there to help you. And we do care about you. And we do want you to reach your goals of care, and feeling better. And and trying to do that in a way that's consistent with your values.
[00:30:04] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah, I agree. Sometimes it's the system itself in medicine.
Unfortunately we're and to show when you end the insurance model, you're forced to, when you give 15 minutes, 10 minutes of visit sometimes and it's not the best system, especially if you have an autoimmune disease or complicated disease. And unfortunately these patients are not given attention.
Sometimes their questions are ignored and you're stuck. And that's when patients may go off the rails trying to find their own way and sometimes go down the wrong path. So if you are in a system where you are not happy, you need to look outside the system and see what other doctors available that fit what you are looking for.
They're out there. Even in the integrated space, there are many ways of healing, not just because two doctors, two integrative pressures got similar training. Doesn't mean they're gonna practice the same way. It's not like allergy and immunology or rheumatology. There's no algorithms in the space. Everyone does something different based on what they learn.
Please don't give up and continue looking for what you are looking for. .
[00:31:09] Kara: Thank you so much Mic. I appreciate your time, your expertise. And I can't wait. We're gonna have to get another one of these on the calendar. of course, Sarah,
[00:31:19] Dr. Micah Yu: I'll be love, love too. About,
[00:31:21] Kara: Yeah. And I can't wait.
I know you've talked about getting your voice out even more. But in the meantime, where can folks find you post like the best information, where can they find and follow you so that they can see all the cool things that you're sharing.
[00:31:37] Dr. Micah Yu: Oh, thank you so much. Yeah. So my handle across all social media is my autoimmune.
MD. The, my is after my name, Micah Yu so it's myautoimmunemd. And then the website's myautoimmunemd.com. There's websites getting revamped right now. I'm coming out with a podcast. So just follow me on social media.
[00:31:54] Kara: I wasn't sure if that was the public knowledge yet. Cool. Alluding
[00:32:00] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah, auto disease and integrative medicine.
Kara, you're gonna be on there too. I'm gonna invite you on the show. So yeah, so it's yeah it's gonna take a lot of work, but it's gonna come out. So just follow me on there for all my newsletter on my website, and then you'll get the most up to date information about what I do.
[00:32:17] Kara: Fantastic. I cannot wait and I look forward to continuing to follow. Across the years as we embark on, this personal and professional journey for us.
[00:32:29] Dr. Micah Yu: Yeah. Yeah. I think our disease has both been, I think initially a curse for both of us, but now a blessing cuz we're using it to really pioneer this field for other patients.
Yeah.
[00:32:39] Kara: You figure it, this is the circumstance, right? It is what it is. Like we might as well turn it into the best batch of lemonade that we can. Yes. Anti-inflammatory lemonade.
Yes, we should put turmeric in it.
[00:32:51] Dr. Micah Yu: Yes. Natural lemon. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:32:54] Kara: And maybe some matcha too. I like the ma I like matcha lemonade.
[00:32:57] Dr. Micah Yu: Oh, matcha lemonade. I'll do that. I'll make that today. Yeah.
[00:33:01] Kara: All right. Thank you so much.
[00:33:03] Dr. Micah Yu: Thank you so much. You're welcome.
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