Harnessing Self-Awareness for Efficient Daily Living
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Kara Wada, MD: Welcome back to this week's episode of the Becoming Immune Confident Podcast. This is Dr. Kara here, your hostess. I am a board-certified pediatric and adult allergy, immunology, lifestyle medicine doc and autoimmune patient. And I love bringing other folks from the community that we've connected with that I think will provide awesome inspiration and helpful tips and things that are just are really helpful for our community. And I'm really excited today to welcome Julie Redmond. She is a happy wife and a twin mom. She is fueled by fun earrings, dark chocolate, meaningful conversations and her relationship with Jesus. She is on a mission to make mom life feel easier and she is all about implementing simple systems for a productive and intentional motherhood fueled by self-awareness and faith. And I am so excited to connect with Julie to learn more about what she's up to and hopefully we can all get some tips from her today too. Thanks Julie, for joining us today.
Julie Redmond: Yes. Thank you so much for having me here. It is truly my pleasure, and I'm excited to talk with your community and I love bringing in practical tips, so.
Kara Wada, MD: I know you're located a little more on the East Coast, but I feel like part of my being as like a Midwest mom is always searching for a good deal and liking things that are practical, sustainable cut through the crap. Excuse me.
Julie Redmond: Sure.
Kara Wada, MD: It sounds like we have a little bit of that in common. I also, I love the fun earrings. I'm on a bit of a hiatus at the moment because my 20 month old will go straight for them. But they bring so much light and energy and shine to our faces. I love it. How did you get into doing the work that you're doing? I'd love to hear your story.
Introducing Julie Redmond
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Julie Redmond: Yeah, I feel like it's one of those moments, I'm always like, I don't have this epiphany, singular moment type story. It's just a natural evolving over time, becoming a mom. And I feel like that's so many, as you shift into that role that life just changes and necessitates new things. And so, parts of me that had that plan, type A planner personality, brought out a little bit more of just really having twins. I was in survival mode longer than I would like to admit, and that's why I'm here to help other people not be in that. But yeah, just figuring out how do I do this? What routine works? How do I accomplish everything I want to do in a day? Everything I have to do, much less what I want to do. So it was just really a journey of testing things out and trying to come up with plans that worked. And so much of it is now, and my kids are older and I'm like, "Oh, I wish I could talk to my younger self." And so that's what I do to really help shift our expectations because motherhood is so hard and any other issues you have health issues or whatever that just layer extra components of complicated things. And so whenever I hear moms struggling just with kind of those practical day-to-day things, or just feeling like they're giving up what they wanna do, they feel like they just have to do the every day and they can't pursue what they wanna do and just something rises up in me every time and I'm like no, let's figure it out. Don't just pass up on that. Let's figure out a system. Let's figure out a plan of how you can do more than one thing and be more than one thing." So yeah, I just get really revved up when I hear moms. I'm like, "No, we can figure it out. You can do better."
Kara Wada, MD: So maybe we can dive in and talk. I know self-awareness is so much a part of what you do, what you talk about.
Discovering Self-Awareness
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Kara Wada, MD: When did you discover like what self-awareness was? Tell us a little bit about that.
Julie Redmond: Yeah, that's true. Because yeah, once you're in it, you're in it. But yeah, how do you jump into that? And I feel like it really was more so in the last few years. I had done some different personality tests over time, the Enneagram and different things, and I know I had a real light bulb moment with the Enneagram. For anybody who knows, like I'm a type three, but not like a super by the book three.
But when you stress out, you're a nine and I'm usually very highly motivated and ready. I wanna get things done and do things, and I would find these times where I'm just super like apathetic, like I don't even care. I'm not as motivated. I'm like, "What is wrong with me?" "This is, what is going on?"
And when I learned more about that, in your default, when you're like stressed and things are going on, 'cause I would not even realize I was stressed. And so now that's my little red flag. If I find myself being like, "Eh, I don't care." And like I'm just over it and I'm like, "Oh, you know what? You must be stressing out 'cause you're pulling into that." And so that was one key awareness moment where I was like, this is so empowering to know that about myself because then I can make decisions and be proactive and not just reactive all of the time. And so that was part of it, and just learning these personality things and different things and just spending time.
Just questioning and I've heard so many times, and I love the word of just getting curious. So whenever you are having feelings, you or someone in your family is, and you're like, "Wow, this is a lot." Instead of just reacting, to pause and get curious of "Okay, why am I reacting this way?" "Why am I feeling this way?"
And it's really eye-opening. So it's once you get in the habit of getting curious, you can learn so much about yourself and about others, and then it begins to inform your decisions and like planning your day and all that, that we can get into. But yeah, that's the huge piece.
Kara Wada, MD: I like to think of it as sometimes we're just functioning, like you said, in survival mode, like just keep swimming. I think of that finding Nemo, little visual, right? Where Dory and Nemo are like just, I guess Dorry and Marlon, just keep swimming. But when we take those moments to get curious and to get to know ourselves better, it's adding in even that little bit of layer of self-compassion of getting to love yourself, know, in that deeper way.
It really truly is life-changing. I love the Enneagram too. I was trying to remember. I'm the hostess, which is I think two with a little sprinkle of three in there where I love kind wanting to be seen as selfless and good at giving, but like when I get stressed out, I am like totally like grumpy. And that was absolutely the case when I got like really burnout and my cup just was totally empty and account was overdrawn. Yeah.
Julie Redmond: And that's that huge piece of awareness to know when you're hitting that point and to realize like the whole point of self-awareness is ideally to catch it before you get completely depleted. Just in terms of, it just makes me think of in planning our time and going through our days and just through this whole process and self-awareness and all of that. And I feel like a lot of the times we feel guilt and it's we should be able to help. We should be able to do that. We should be able to take care of our kids better. We should make the better lunch. It's just endless. And so I always say to do the should test with yourself. Like every time you find yourself saying, "I should" or even thinking "I should," you're like, "Okay, hold on. Where's this should coming from?"
"Is it actually something genuinely helpful that will benefit me, that aligns with where I'm at right now, that I should do this, I just need a little kick in the pants like I really should? Or is it based on an expectation from someone else?" "Am I thinking I should make this fancy lunch because I enjoy it and I'm fulfilled by that, or because I saw the other posts of other moms making this like amazing meal Or like doing all these sports with their kids or doing whatever activities?" that's where you can really free yourself if you start to question your shoulds to not get in the trap of doing all the things for everyone all the time and just getting depleted.
Kara Wada, MD: So I am laughing a little bit because a colleague, acquaintance of mine, fellow podcaster like ourselves, she says we need to stop shooting all over ourselves. Using it, of course is a little play on words. It just makes me laugh. We had a good fun.
Julie Redmond: It's so true though.
Kara Wada, MD: It is, yeah. We come into, especially our lives as mothers, informed by what we knew growing up or what we're surrounded by. And sometimes putting a little bit of distance between ourselves and our perceptions, our unspoken beliefs and then the reality is really helpful. I know I talked about that on an episode a few weeks ago. My husband and I were very fortunate to have moms that primarily stayed home with us growing up. And we met first day in med school, which is a story for another day. We knew we also wanted to have a family, but also our clinical careers and we, for the first couple years of parenting, we're very stressed out about wanting to make sure we still had home-cooked meals. We still had a clean house. We still did all the things that our moms had done. But we neglected to realize that those were full-time jobs for our moms.
And we were already working at that point in our career more than a typical full-time job, and so we didn't really have as much time that we were able to spend with our daughter. And at a certain point it was like, "No, it's okay to like outsource some of these tasks so that we can focus and we're fortunate enough that we're able to do that but it takes a village.
Julie Redmond: I just think so many people don't have that moment. Regardless of your situation there, like in yours, like you had that aha-moment of "Wait a minute. I have these expectations on myself when it's a completely different scenario." And I think that's the root of so many issues. We're holding ourselves to this really high standard that's actually not even achievable. But we don't even stop to realize that like we're beating ourselves up all day for not being there all day, not doing all the extra little things when it's "Wait, these aren't apples to apples. That's not fair to myself to hold that standard."
Kara Wada, MD: And the reality, like thinking about parenting back in the late eighties, early nineties, there was a fair bit of cartoons being the parent while mom was getting some of this stuff done. It wasn't like she was always doing a planned activity or
Julie Redmond: Yeah. When did that become the thing?
Kara Wada, MD: She was like, "Go outside, go play. Come back at dinner." We were a little older by then, but,
Julie Redmond: Yeah. It's true though. Yeah. Completely different. Another thing just going on the lines of just timing and expectations. It's just fresh in my mind. I had a conversation yesterday and I was like, man, this just really, especially like thinking about your audience and struggling with not always having the energy and when we get things done and having the guilt or whatever. But like when you have a project or an activity you wanna do with your kids or whatever, and you built this in your mind that you wanna get this done and maybe it's like a one day thing and you're not feeling up to par that day and you literally just don't have the energy to make it happen. And then you have the guilt and you beat yourself up. But I wanna introduce like a fresh perspective when you have a timeline for something, a deadline, a project, whatever, and it's just not gonna happen. Instead of living in that resentful bitterness of "I couldn't do it and now I've failed," and all the things to reframe and be like, "You know what? I had this planned as a one day activity, but let's reframe it. If I had planned this to be a one week activity from the beginning, I wouldn't be upset right now. I would be on time." Like, "How can I reframe this?" and replant it to be, "Okay, how can I excel at this timeline?" So I just wanted to encourage as we're navigating life and all the things that take our time and those hiccups come and we just literally can't do it. How can you reframe it to be like, "Okay, if I'd given myself this much time from the beginning, how would I feel and how can I reframe and reapproach this?" And, yeah. It's just very freeing to be like, "Okay, I'm not behind. I can do these activities with my kids. I can get this work project done. And it's just a different timeline, but it's okay 'cause now I'm coming in it with that fresh perspective."
Kara Wada, MD: Yeah. Sometimes I'll even just use the thought of this is how I guess it was supposed to be. Sometimes, it doesn't work for necessarily all situuation, but depending on where you come from, but for me that is something that's also come from .Okay, maybe this is just a challenge I was supposed to traverse.
Julie Redmond: Yeah. And when things always go our way, we're gonna be, we're always trying to do more and more, and it's always rushed. And so how much do we miss when we're always rushing through everything and just "Okay, this is another thing to do, another activity, another project." And if it does take longer, then we do appreciate more of the nuance and can savor a little bit more. So I think sometimes, yeah, we're slowed down on purpose to glean more out of whatever it may have been. Yeah.
Kara Wada, MD: Yeah, focus in sometimes a little bit more on some of those beautiful little details and Yeah.
Julie Redmond: Yeah. It's always the journey, right?
Kara Wada, MD: Yes. Oh gosh. I think that's one of the things that I continually have to come back, continually have to remind myself of. I have this tendency, I've talked with, my coaches, therapists, over a time. And I think it'll probably be something I just continually work on through my life. I'm always so excited and like in a bit of a hurry to get to the destination, and I just continually have to remind myself, Nope. Enjoy the journey. Let's, keep coming back to that.
Julie Redmond: Yeah, I totally relate because yeah. How do I efficiently do this? How do I just get there and do the thing and get it done and yeah.
Kara Wada, MD: Like an excited golden retriever like going to the hall. So, how does some of these, like productivity and intentionality, come into like your everyday routines as being a mom of two?
Practical Tips for Productivity
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Julie Redmond: I think, maybe just going through some practical like takeaway things of what I do. And it's not always perfect. It's funny because presenting in this like productivity mode, I feel like the personas like everything is planned and I'm like super rigid and it's so not the case. I feel like I'm the most like, chill, productive person. Don't give me the horror rigid timeline, but I'm always about just like loose structure just to guide you in the right direction of where you wanna go. And so some really important things are doing a task list the night before of "Okay, what do I need to get done tomorrow?" Like with work or home and just double checking the calendar. So it's really important to just have that so when you have a window of time to work and do things like, "I know what I'm doing and I'm not wasting time trying to figure out what to do or bouncing around from every single thing I see."
Which is still an issue. Let's be real. The squirrel. Yeah. I'm like, "Oh, there's laundry that needs to be done and Oh wait, there's trash on the floor. I need to get it." Yeah. Mean, it's endless. But just having a few key anchor things to help move forward. So having that task list, having the family calendar can be helpful. Like we have it on the fridge and like seeing what's coming up and when the kids are like, "What are we doing tomorrow? What are we doing tomorrow?" Or like, "How many days until this?" I'm like, "Go look at the calendar." And meal planning is something that I do to really help just the nighttime go a little bit smoother because that's also something, it's like that self-awareness piece of what are you stressing about all day and the dinner issue of what's for dinner is stressful way before dinner time. Like, that's in the morning of "Oh, what am I doing? Do I have food for that? Do I need to go to the store? I don't have time to go to the store." it's just the
Kara Wada, MD: No, I'm laughing 'cause it's so relatable. It's like by the time like dinner rolls around, if someone's asking me what's for dinner and it's not decided. It is I'm done. Like it's a trigger. It's a triggering, activating like question. Yeah.
Julie Redmond: Yeah. It's so much pressure and especially whatever your job is, if you're working outside of the home or even in the home, like you've been answering questions all day and problem solving all day, like done, tapped out. So, yeah. The meal plan is super, super helpful. And I always say this 'cause I feel like sometimes people feel like that anti like rigid. I'm like, "Wait, it doesn't have to be so hardcore." But just having the plan and being able to grocery shop for those, if you don't feel like making that particular pasta dinner tonight, that's okay. Don't make it. Pick another dinner from another night of the week that you've planned and switch it like, it's fine. Incorporate leftovers night, incorporate a go out to eat night. That all counts. Like just whatever works for you and your lifestyle and to not think you have to make a gourmet meal every night, like that's another expectation, I think, that's out there that's like crazy fancy. Like you can have a healthy meal that isn't gonna take you an hour to prepare and cook and all of that. It's just to release some of these expectations that I feel like is so common that we think it has to be hard and look hard to do it right. And so I'm like busting that myth that it doesn't have to, it's okay for it to feel easier. Like it doesn't mean you're doing it wrong, or you're cheating.
Kara Wada, MD: What a trap we fall into that something has to be hard to be worthy.
Julie Redmond: Yeah. And so I think that's where we get in a trap for so many, like trying to find solutions. We're always looking for the thing that's the most expensive or the most complicated, complex thing when it always boils down to the really simple steps, like the consistent, sustainable things. And so that's where like all these little pieces come from and just what you can do consistently. So yeah.
Kara Wada, MD: I will say, for our family too, planning ahead with our meals, it cuts our grocery costs. We waste less food. It helps with the stress and for me, I know my symptoms feel like my pain, my energy, those sorts of things are in a better place if I hit some various nutritional marks. And so if I'm planning ahead, I can make sure that we're doing a few nights of more meatless nights or, really getting a serving a fatty fish or, some other things that I know are helpful from that standpoint. And so if you're thinking ahead rather than waiting till you're in that hangry, I need french fries now.
Julie Redmond: Yeah. It's the panic of just grabbing whatever and like.
Kara Wada, MD: You tend to make decisions that the future version of us will thank that current version of us for.
Julie Redmond: Yeah, for sure. And it feels good to not have to stress and like when you need to shift and that you aren't just grabbing a million snacks and like just being like, "Ugh!" 'Cause I know I definitely get hangry and I'm like, I need to eat now. Like just have a little snack right then. Something that will, even if you're like cooking dinner, like just to bring yourself back to calm and you can not just bring yourself back down and make it. But yeah. And I don't anymore. It's not an issue. But for a lot of people it can be helpful. I have like a menu, like a laminated menu, use a dry erase and you display it on the fridge so everyone can see. And when they're asking what's for dinner, "Go look at the fridge." Or if your spouse is gonna help you, maybe you're working late that day or whatever. You're just like, "It has been a day and I just can't," so like they can see what's the plan and know like the ingredients are there and help you out for cooking, take turns and having your family involved of like different people pick a meal each day to take some of that decision fatigue off of you.
It depends on your family and your kids' ages and all of that, but it's just what is a little thing that can make this easier? That's the question is you go through your day and you have something that's stressful or causing issues, you're rushing all the time. Whatever that triggering moment is, if you can pause and be like, "Okay, what is one thing I can do that will make this easier?"
And just kind questioning, getting curious again and figure out what simple solution, what little step could you take to make it just a little bit better. Even not hearing the question, what's for dinner every night by just posting it on the fridge. It seems little and silly, but all of those things add up.
Kara Wada, MD: Absolutely. So one of the things that we realized was like our kryptonite every morning getting out the door, especially when we were trying to get out the door really early, which was the case for a long time. Socks. We would be running back upstairs. Like we'd get their outfits together, right? They'd get dressed. We would hold off to put socks on until the last minute, in part because our floors on the main floor are wood, and so if they didn't have the grippies, it was like tumbles and falling and crying. So we ended up moving the kids' socks downstairs. We have little baskets. And each one, each kid has a little basket. It has their socks in it. So when we fold our laundry, when we do the laundry for the week, the socks don't go in their bedrooms, they go downstairs. And is it a little odd that we have socks in our family room? Sure. But does it work for our family? And totally take a daily stressor that we had and like pretty much eliminate it? Heck yeah.
Julie Redmond: Yes. I love that so much. Yes, that's what it's about. It's like going out of the box to think this is how everything works and this is what, like plates have to go in a cabinet, like whatever you're thinking has to be to really question it. And I love that. That's such a perfect example of "Hey, that was a simple solution. Rethinking your layout, like maybe you put laundry in at night before you go to bed and set the delay, and so it's like starting in the morning. So that's one thing already going like it's anything. Question everything where you put stuff and the order and timing.
Kara Wada, MD: When you mentioned plates, I was like, goodness. As we're thinking about the kitchen or kids getting a little older, some of the ways that we've stored plates and Tupperware and stuff along those lines, it may be worth a fresh look because our almost eight year old absolutely can help. And there may be some things that we could move onto lower shelves so that she and her five-year-old sister can be a little bit more active in putting away dishes or setting the table.
Julie Redmond: Yeah. I have a drawer with like their plates and cups all in one drawer, whatever that they can reach and yeah. Rethinking whatever your, if you make lunches, like having maybe the Ziploc bags and the Tupperware and whatever, they're all together. Like you just group things how you use them in your home and at heights, that makes sense for you and how anything that's gonna help other people step up to the plate and just make it more efficient. Switch it up.
Kara Wada, MD: Yeah. I read somewhere too within the last like couple of weeks about how one of the best predictors of future, adult success, having a job, like just being self-sufficient was getting involved in chores when you are like three or four with home. And so that kind of got me like more on board of "Oh, we might be a little bit behind the eight ball with this almost eight year old, but like."
Room Reset
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Julie Redmond: I've heard that too recently. And I'm like, "Oh yeah, I need to figure this out a little bit more." Yeah, strict. We have a room reset. One thing, one practical thing, I'll share is I used to call it I think like five minute pickup. I call it a room reset now, but just making it routine. And that's one of the other things, especially with kids. If it just becomes routine, that's the expectation and they will fight you much less on it. So like at night there's a certain time, cutoff time for devices, and that's room reset. And so especially those common areas, the living room where things get dragged out and everyone works together and just puts things back where they belong and we just reset the space. And so you're not having that as one extra thing to do after the kids go to bed and trying to pick up after their mess. They're taking responsibility for it and you can have some downtime. Imagine that when your kids go to bed. So that's another super practical.
Kara Wada, MD: That is brilliant. I feel like we've done an unofficial version of that. Like in the basement, if we're playing down there, usually that's on the weekend, but incorporating that into the routine and maybe even having that as, "Okay, after we're done eating, that's what we're going to go do before we go upstairs." like that would be great.
Julie Redmond: It helps to put it into more of a specific time. Like something where it's "Okay, now it's time to do this," and that segues into the next thing. Yeah, so. It's been very helpful. We were a little lax on the summer, so I'm just getting back into, "Hey, remember we do this. Remember?"
Kara Wada, MD: So we had curriculum last night, for curriculum night for my second grader last night that I went to, and I started like a little list. She's a kiddo that needs like a little more structure and so I was writing down. Okay, one of the responsibilities they want her to learn is to charge her iPad every night and then remember to put it back in her bag, which I know is going to be a struggle for her.
And so I was like, okay, can we make like a checklist for before school, a checklist for after school and then one for before bed of what we need to do. We need to do these little tasks before we dive into craft time or TV time or tablet time or whatever. And so, I think room resets getting added to that list.
Julie Redmond: There you go. Yes. So it's just finding all those things that you can just tuck in throughout the day that make it easier and make stop making everything on your plate like. It's that, hot mess mom culture or whatever, but just where you're doing everything and you're frantic and all of that. Let's not make that the normal and just share the load and not be afraid to ask for help and find ways to make it easier.
Kara Wada, MD: Yeah. It's so important for our health when we think about getting ourselves out of that constant fight, flight, freeze fawn, like, empathetic, activated, all these words are describing the same thing. It's a state that really has huge impacts on our immune system health. It increases our cortisol and our other hormones that essentially downregulate our ability to fight infection really put us at a physiologic disadvantage. We need that time to just be in that calm, rest recovery state. And so if we can give ourselves these opportunities more and more often, make things easier on ourselves. Goodness. It's huge.
Julie Redmond: Yeah. And I feel like a big piece of that, 'cause that carries over, if you're starting your day out, like up here, you're just never able to get back home. And I feel like that room reset really plays into that as well, because your visual surroundings really impact your mental state and just kind of that fight or flight vibe of like, "Ugh, I'm already really heightened because I'm surrounded by clutter and toys and mess," and so you just feel the tension. And so if you can do a step like that, something that's going to just make your surrounding feel more calm and end your day and start your day that way, it can just really help you set up to get through and not be in that mode all day long in just that chronic level. Yeah.
Kara Wada, MD: That's something that could carry over to the office too. I'm just thinking about, before I leave for the day, I could take two minutes to tidy up my little desk space, get rid of the post-its that are done. Shred the paperwork, make sure the things are in the fax pile for prior authorization, all that sort of stuff. To have that, when I come back to the office, a little bit more of a calm. Until I open my inbox. That's a whole conversation for another day. But, that would be really easy. And it's really, you're also really using that concept of habit stacking too, when you connect something with another part of your already, functioning routine, that it's easier to connect things rather than just start something de novo or
Julie Redmond: Yeah. It makes it easier 'cause it's all on how it feels too. Like it does feel doable and easier to be like, "Can I take one minute just to throw away trash before I sit down?" you pick one thing, you start somewhere and you pick one thing of like, all right, what's one? I used to have this thing written down. I forget where I had heard it but, If it takes less than one minute, do it now. It's like a great mantra. If you see something fall on the floor and you don't pick it up and throw it away, it's "hold on, if I just grab it now, it's one less thing." yeah.
Kara Wada, MD: We just had a, we just did a social post on that yeah, a minute or two. If you can do like the activation energy. So like what it actually takes us to, like the motivation, the energy, all that stuff to get it done is much lower for those tasks that are just quick and easy. And then you feel good you're like, a little dopamine.
Julie Redmond: A little boost. Yeah.
Kara Wada, MD: The brain is all happy. I'm looking to the side. So my office is our dining room 'cause and we just have it set up. And so, the dining room table is essentially like a giant junk drawer and it gets to be various, you know, levels of chaos. And right now it's in pretty good chaos because back to school, all the, I have a few projects going on. But I think I have some little pockets of time today between meetings and so I think I'm gonna do a little bit of a reset myself.
Julie Redmond: There you go. It'll feel so good sitting there and seeing that again? Like I did that last night. 'Cause same thing, dining room table is just like explosion. And I had finally, I was like, "Oh, this is giving me all the stress." Just seeing that all the time. Yeah, it feels good.
Kara Wada, MD: Thank you so much, Julie. This was delightful. I am so glad we were able to connect and you're able to share all these awesome tips and strategies and philosophies with the becoming immune confident community today. If folks want to see what else you're up to, they wanna follow you, they wanna learn more from you, where do they need to go?
Julie Redmond: Yeah. The best place is to head to my podcast, 'Mom Made Plans' and all the links are always in the show notes there for everything brewing, meal planning, course and things going on. But, yeah. Mom Made Plans Podcast is where all the practical takeaways are to make daily life easier. And I do just wanna share one little line to leave you guys with. One thing I like to say is, "No system or routine is going to work until you know how you work." So I just wanna circle back and into that self-awareness piece to really get to know yourself a little bit more, get curious, and then you'll find those ways to make your day a little bit easier and not waste your time on tasks that aren't gonna make you feel better.
Kara Wada, MD: Celebrate the amazing, unique individual that you are. That's beautiful. Thank you, Julie. This has been great, and I hope we get to talk again soon.
Julie Redmond: Yes, thank you so much.
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Share what you love about the podcast, your favorite episodes, or how it's made a positive impact on your life. Your words, not only brighten our day, but they also encourage others to join our incredible community.
Remember every five star review and every word of encouragement counts, it's like fuel to keep us creating, innovating and striving to make your listening experience even better. So if you're up for it, show us some love by leaving us that virtual high five in the form of a five star review today.
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Thank you for being a part of our podcast journey and we can't wait to keep bringing you more amazing episodes in the future.
Until next time, keep shining and keep listening and keep on building that confidence in yourself and your immune system health.
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